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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Esik » Tue May 08, 2012 2:22 am

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Esik » Tue May 08, 2012 3:03 am

Bo$ko wrote:Esik, I wrote that just to mention what kind of organization was on CL Final match. It's not a friendly match, but FINAL !
Sitting at the corner of the field, without table, laptops on knees, almost no internet, ... and a lot of other things.

Your posts are too childish for me to discuss, sorry...


But ok, let's make it serious for a second:
First: you are accepting the media coverage about your media's problems, but not accepting it about your fans making trouble. Double standard as it's best.

There are valid points(in case you are accepting the media coverage):
1. your tv personnel did not have chairs. That is said, uncomfortable and unfortunate. And really not good.
2. Your written media members had chairs, no tables: they had to use the laptop, in their...laps. Not good, inconvinient a bit perhaps, but nothing "horrendeous" or "terrible"
3. "almost no internet" But there was.

"a lot of other things."I checked out Montenegrin online media.
Google Serbian-English translater is quiet a good one) They spoke about chairs, tables, and an internet cable, becase they wanted faster net. That's it. "so this lot of other things is a. cheap b. childish.
Was there any inconvinence toward your team, coaches, players? Accomodation, food, anything like that?

Although I have no connections to Győr (or Veszprém) i am sorry for the inconvinence of your media members. But let's not go over the top.

Honestly: if you worked in the media: if you just want to send an article, or even make a minute-by-minute, you was able to do it in the good old fashioned "dial-up" system. I know. I did things like that. I had to work with laptop in my lap(not in sports i admit), and could not care less. You deal with it, and not bothering your viewers with it, until you can do your job. If you can not do it, or you feel the team was somehow mistreated, now it is your turn as a journalist to come up with vengeance.

BTW i watched your tv commentator. He missed a few Hungarian players but did a great job. He was way better than his Hungarian counterpart. Your newspapers though...meh.) (I do not "speak" Serbian or Croatian, but watching "Televizija Zagren" then "Hrvtska Televizija" since I was 6(mostly sports), i can understand even football, handball and basketball radio coverages quiet well. My vocabulary is strongly reduced to sports though:) But as a safety net I'm using the translater for written text:)

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Des57 » Tue May 08, 2012 8:09 am

Dream Team wrote:
Marco Aurelio wrote:
John wrote:Hm, Gyor only has better players on paper. Buducnost has better left and right back and left wing, goalkeepers are even, Gyor has better playmaker, right wing and pivot. So it's 4:4.


Goalkeepers are even???
Since when is Woltering such a top class?
She has had a good year BEHIND the best (and roughest) defense of the League.
But that's all.
Haraldsen is nowadays the No.1 keeper of the world.
+ Pálinger is also way better keeper than C.W.

But it is not good to make these kind of comparisons, because Löke is on paper a better player than Cvijic, but in this duel so far Dragana has been the more useful one.


Cecilie Leganger is the best goalkeeper in the world.


KLH is definitely the best goalkeeper out there.;)She defends your back when you need it the most and she's superb when it counts the most.Woltering is also very good,I would say top 5.Cecilie Leganger was a great gk and still plays good,but you can't compare her level from now with Lunde's.Someone said that Palinger is bettter than Clara.I disagree and I would put Katalin P. in top 10 maybe 9-10 place.
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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby doomark » Tue May 08, 2012 8:12 am

Bo$ko wrote:No one mentioned that organization of the final in Veszprem was more than horrible.
Our media are furious about treatment in Hungary.

Only Andrew Mc Steen from EHF tried to help them a lil bit, but he couldn't do anything.
He couldn't believe what was happening on the CL Final match. He stated that this is big failure mistake of club, since they told that they're ready and arranged everything.


Yes, bad organization only concerned the media block and not only Montenegrin media was furious... It were horrid working conditions for journalists, a real shame for the Hungarian press officer who was unable to prepare things in the right way. A huge disappointment for me as well.

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby GeorgeVeszprém » Tue May 08, 2012 8:17 am

John wrote:@Esik
You always have an answer to everything.
And please don't talk about vandalism cause you don't know what really happened, what cause them to act like that.
And for the record the security confiscated almost everything from Varvari. They didn't let them bring in the banner, the elastic that holds the drums, anything that is used for cheering while ETO's fans had horns etc, Varvari could not be heard properly, and I won't say what other things.
And I'm saying this beacuse my brother was at the game, and he told me what happened.


I was at the game too and close to you "fans". A part of you fans (called Barbarians?), was not plan other then trouble making! They was smoking (prohibited in indoor arenas in Europe), spitting and tried to insult the neighbor sector full with Hungarian fans.
There was a couple guest fans in Veszrém Arena in the last 4 years in men CL games, and nobody made damage in the Arena till to now. :( For example Kielce fans made the best cheering in the Arena ever without any trouble, but they arrived to support their team. :!:

Unfortunately most of the comment was after the match, that Montenegro is dark Balkan country far from the Europe. I know this is not true, your country is beautiful, and you have very big historical traditions. So your group of fans was a very bad advertisement of you country.

About the media organization: it was Győr organisation, they rented the Arena from Veszprém. Probably the demand was too high, so capacity problem, could occur. The responsible man (communication and PR manager) act as as speaker in the match, so they was busy. :shock:

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby guesthand » Tue May 08, 2012 11:57 am

Esik wrote:
John wrote:@Esik
You always have an answer to everything.
And please don't talk about vandalism cause you don't know what really happened, what cause them to act like that.
And for the record the security confiscated almost everything from Varvari. They didn't let them bring in the banner, the elastic that holds the drums, anything that is used for cheering while ETO's fans had horns etc, Varvari could not be heard properly, and I won't say what other things.
And I'm saying this beacuse my brother was at the game, and he told me what happened.


Yeah, everythingImage

Also: you generally booing and whistling and chanting when other people sing their national anthems, or this was just special treatment here? But i guess just different standards.


I'm not suprised, montenegrins and hongarians are in top 2 of the worst spectators in this competition.

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby John » Tue May 08, 2012 12:03 pm

@GeorgeVeszprém

I will quote myself
John wrote:I'm not saying they are saints


Can we please stop talking about this, it's making the game less important!?
What happened, happened.

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby doomark » Tue May 08, 2012 1:05 pm

guesthand wrote:I'm not suprised, montenegrins and hongarians are in top 2 of the worst spectators in this competition.


Pardon me!? You must be out of your mind, sorry... :shock:

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Silviu » Tue May 08, 2012 1:15 pm

guesthand wrote:I'm not suprised, montenegrins and hongarians are in top 2 of the worst spectators in this competition.

I bet that Oltchim's fans are in your top 3. Probably because they are East Europeans too. But better get used to it, because from now on, you will see only fans of those three teams in the next 2-3 finals. :D ;)

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Stefan_MNE » Tue May 08, 2012 1:15 pm

guesthand wrote:I'm not suprised

Those are just football hooligans - there were just a few of them who came with other fans whose only mission was to cheer for the handball club Budućnost and not to make troubles, but it was enough to send the wrong message.

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Mixball » Tue May 08, 2012 1:52 pm

Dream Team wrote:
Marco Aurelio wrote:
John wrote:Hm, Gyor only has better players on paper. Buducnost has better left and right back and left wing, goalkeepers are even, Gyor has better playmaker, right wing and pivot. So it's 4:4.


Goalkeepers are even???
Since when is Woltering such a top class?
She has had a good year BEHIND the best (and roughest) defense of the League.
But that's all.
Haraldsen is nowadays the No.1 keeper of the world.
+ Pálinger is also way better keeper than C.W.

But it is not good to make these kind of comparisons, because Löke is on paper a better player than Cvijic, but in this duel so far Dragana has been the more useful one.


Cecilie Leganger is the best goalkeeper in the world.


Lunde Haraldsen is better imo, but Woltering is the one that matters most, cause she alone has plug the hole and thereby makes the advantage flip side.
Hell, why hasn't anybody persuaded Leganger to turn Montenegrin, and it would rain EC/WC/OG medals down south. :clown:
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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby John » Tue May 08, 2012 2:31 pm

Question for Hungarians and Romanians
What are fans/supporters of your teams (Gyor and Oltchim) called?

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby treideca44 » Tue May 08, 2012 3:56 pm

John wrote:Question for Hungarians and Romanians
What are fans/supporters of your teams (Gyor and Oltchim) called?


For what this question ?

I'm fan&supporter Oltchim :)

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Marco Aurelio » Tue May 08, 2012 4:21 pm

treideca44 wrote:
John wrote:Question for Hungarians and Romanians
What are fans/supporters of your teams (Gyor and Oltchim) called?


For what this question ?

I'm fan&supporter Oltchim :)


The question is - I believe - "Is there a NAME for the group of supporters/ultras there?"
Like "Krimovci", "Varvari", etc.
"Transfagarasan Transformers" or something :) ;)

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby John » Tue May 08, 2012 4:35 pm

Marco Aurelio wrote:The question is - I believe - "Is there a NAME for the group of supporters/ultras there?"
Like "Krimovci", "Varvari", etc.
"Transfagarasan Transformers" or something :) ;)


Yes. Thank you.

@treideca44 I'm just curious.

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby treideca44 » Tue May 08, 2012 6:06 pm

SORRY FOR UNDERSTANDING !

Yes, sawyer say well.

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Esik » Tue May 08, 2012 6:22 pm

John wrote:Question for Hungarians and Romanians
What are fans/supporters of your teams (Gyor and Oltchim) called?


Well, as much I know (Győr supporters may correct me):), they loudest group is now the "1904 Boys". The first real organised group was the Green Danger, then on it's remnants worked the "BKU" = "Bal Kapufa Ultrái"(Ultras of the Left Goalpost:D
), and then came the "1904 Boys".

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Galpa » Tue May 08, 2012 7:53 pm

In 2008 Zvezda celebrated away, in Vieanna, the CL trophy.
In 2009 Viborg celebrated away, in Veszprém, the CL trophy.
In 2010 Viborg celebrated away, in Bucharest, the CL trophy.
In 2011 Larvik celebrated away, in Pamplona the CL trophy.
In 2012 ........ celebrated ......., in Podgorica, the CL trophy.

Who knows the right answer? ;)
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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Des57 » Wed May 09, 2012 9:33 am

Let me be mean :D

1999 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2002 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2004 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2005 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2006 EHF Cup Winners' Cup final Gyor lost
2009 EHF CL final Gyor lost
2012 EHF CL final Gyor ....

Who knows the right answer? :D

I still think that Buducnost is the favourite,but I would like to see Gyor breaking the spell. :p

The right answer was lost

Well done,Buducnost! =D> Well done Gyor! =D> Maybe next year!
Gjeding and Hansen :evil: :evil: made it hard for montenegrian team.They were pro Gyor all the game.Big disgrace [-X
Anita was superb.Woltering,Bojana and Katarina incredible. =D>
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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Galpa » Wed May 09, 2012 12:05 pm

Des57 wrote:Let me be mean :D

1999 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2002 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2004 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2005 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2006 EHF Cup Winners' Cup final Gyor lost
2009 EHF CL final Gyor lost
2012 EHF CL final Gyor ....

Who knows the right answer? :D

I still think that Buducnost is the favourite,but I would like to see Gyor breaking the spell. :p


Hehe, indeed. But both teams have some kind of imperfection in CL. :)

Just hope that my series will continue not yours! ;)
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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Des57 » Wed May 09, 2012 12:14 pm

Galpa wrote:
Des57 wrote:Let me be mean :D

1999 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2002 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2004 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2005 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2006 EHF Cup Winners' Cup final Gyor lost
2009 EHF CL final Gyor lost
2012 EHF CL final Gyor ....

Who knows the right answer? :D

I still think that Buducnost is the favourite,but I would like to see Gyor breaking the spell. :p


Just hope that my series will continue not yours! ;)


We'll wait and see. :D I would also love to see some joy in Gyor.;)
You're waiting it for so many years.

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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby meteo » Wed May 09, 2012 12:49 pm

Pressure is mostly on Györ according to the transfers before the season. Györ has to win CL this year, but Buducnost can.
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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Maxxxi » Wed May 09, 2012 6:51 pm

Des57 wrote:1999 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2002 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2004 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2005 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2006 EHF Cup Winners' Cup final Gyor lost
2009 EHF CL final Gyor lost
2012 EHF CL final Gyor ....

Who knows the right answer? :D


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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby treideca44 » Wed May 09, 2012 11:11 pm

Des57 wrote:Let me be mean :D

1999 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2002 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2004 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2005 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2006 EHF Cup Winners' Cup final Gyor lost
2009 EHF CL final Gyor lost
2012 EHF CL final Gyor ....

Who knows the right answer? :D

I still think that Buducnost is the favourite,but I would like to see Gyor breaking the spell. :p


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Re: EHF CL - Finals

Postby Mejc » Thu May 10, 2012 11:25 am

treideca44 wrote:
Des57 wrote:Let me be mean :D

1999 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2002 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2004 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2005 EHF Cup final Gyor lost
2006 EHF Cup Winners' Cup final Gyor lost
2009 EHF CL final Gyor lost
2012 EHF CL final Gyor ....

Who knows the right answer? :D

I still think that Buducnost is the favourite,but I would like to see Gyor breaking the spell. :p


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