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Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:40 pm
by Wbk
HB9 wrote:Dutch team only confirm today that they are qualified: https://www.handbal.nl/blog/2019/12/09/ ... r-het-okt/

Quite a hard sleep they have ;)

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:40 pm
by Wbk
Wbk wrote:Not yet qualified national teams with alive possibility to qualify for the 2020 Olympics:

● all NTs qualified for the 2019 World Championship: ARG, AUS, CHN, CUB, COD, DEN, ESP, GER, HUN, KAZ, MNE, NED, NOR, ROU, RUS, SEN, SLO, SRB, SWE

For the moment:

AUS, CUB, COD, SLO already lost all the Olympic hopes.

KAZ can only hope for the PRK's non-appearance in the OQT. (KAZ are the first substitute.)


The rest (ARG, CHN, DEN, ESP, GER, HUN, MNE, NED, NOR, ROU, RUS, SRB, SWE) can still qualify for Tokyo 2020.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:48 pm
by larvik-fan
Wbk wrote:After today it's clear that the 2019 World champion will be from Europe. Thus, Europe is top and Asia 2nd best continent at the Worlds.
Definitive consequences of that: CHN goes to OQT#2 & PRK goes to OQT#3.


The current OQTs composition (definitive spots only):

OQT#1: ___, ___, SEN, ARG

OQT#2: ___, ___, CHN, ___

OQT#3: ___, ___, ___, PRK


RUS/IOA & NED also sure for OQT at least, but they still have a chance to qualify directly for Tokyo via winning the WCh.


What placements take you in to group 1?

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:50 pm
by Wbk
larvik-fan wrote:
Wbk wrote:After today it's clear that the 2019 World champion will be from Europe. Thus, Europe is top and Asia 2nd best continent at the Worlds.
Definitive consequences of that: CHN goes to OQT#2 & PRK goes to OQT#3.


The current OQTs composition (definitive spots only):

OQT#1: ___, ___, SEN, ARG

OQT#2: ___, ___, CHN, ___

OQT#3: ___, ___, ___, PRK


RUS/IOA & NED also sure for OQT at least, but they still have a chance to qualify directly for Tokyo via winning the WCh.


What placements take you in to group 1?

/a/ Silver medal

and

/b/ 7th or 8th or even 9th place (yet not sure which one; depends on KOR and JPN final placement; the most probable outcome atm. is the 7th one).

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:54 pm
by Wbk
Another update:

NOR are sure to be in Top6 at the WCh, so they are also qualified for OQT at least. Same as goes for RUS and NED, they still have a chance to qualify directly for Tokyo via winning the WCh.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:37 pm
by Gojira

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:41 pm
by kleber
So no russia hmyn and flag in handball world championship?

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:47 pm
by Gojira
I don't think that it is applicable in the the current WCh. Otherwise yes.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:06 pm
by kleber
Gojira wrote:I don't think that it is applicable in the the current WCh. Otherwise yes.


in the next 21 days everything stays the same.

but now i am reading that the situation will be much worst for russia than in the winter olympics games,there you had the name "olympic athletes of russia" now there should be no mention of russia name in the world champions and olympics lol in the next 4 years.

sorry to say but that is a joke so a

"neutral team of ihf! :roll: :roll:

come on russia just don't go to the world champions under wada rules.

so now the neutral athletes of ihf are world champions!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

screw this.....this is ridiculous and goes well behind sport,it is a politic measure.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:17 pm
by Doru Delavale
kleber wrote:
Gojira wrote:I don't think that it is applicable in the the current WCh. Otherwise yes.


in the next 21 days everything stays the same.

but now i am reading that the situation will be much worst for russia than in the winter olympics games,there you had the name "olympic athletes of russia" now there should be no mention of russia name in the world champions and olympics lol in the next 4 years.

sorry to say but that is a joke so a

"neutral team of ihf! :roll: :roll:

come on russia just don't go to the world champions under wada rules.

so now the neutral athletes of ihf are world champions!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

screw this.....this is ridiculous and goes well behind sport,it is a politic measure.


Political,yes, because fish begins to stink starting from the head ... :arrow: ...do you think it was a russian sport'smen will ?

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:31 pm
by kleber
Doru Delavale wrote:
kleber wrote:
Gojira wrote:I don't think that it is applicable in the the current WCh. Otherwise yes.


in the next 21 days everything stays the same.

but now i am reading that the situation will be much worst for russia than in the winter olympics games,there you had the name "olympic athletes of russia" now there should be no mention of russia name in the world champions and olympics lol in the next 4 years.

sorry to say but that is a joke so a

"neutral team of ihf! :roll: :roll:

come on russia just don't go to the world champions under wada rules.

so now the neutral athletes of ihf are world champions!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

screw this.....this is ridiculous and goes well behind sport,it is a politic measure.


Political,yes, because fish begins to stink starting from the head ... :arrow: ...do you think it was a russian sport'smen will ?


Come on,russia will just skip major competiitons by wada rules,period.

sorry for the handball girls but makes no sense to go to tokyo and world championship....you are playing for ihf lol.
win this world championship and play in the european in next years.

Russia will boycott tokyo for sure.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:51 pm
by Doru Delavale
kleber wrote:
Doru Delavale wrote:
kleber wrote:
in the next 21 days everything stays the same.

but now i am reading that the situation will be much worst for russia than in the winter olympics games,there you had the name "olympic athletes of russia" now there should be no mention of russia name in the world champions and olympics lol in the next 4 years.

sorry to say but that is a joke so a

"neutral team of ihf! :roll: :roll:

come on russia just don't go to the world champions under wada rules.

so now the neutral athletes of ihf are world champions!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

screw this.....this is ridiculous and goes well behind sport,it is a politic measure.


Political,yes, because fish begins to stink starting from the head ... :arrow: ...do you think it was a russian sport'smen will ?


Come on,russia will just skip major competiitons by wada rules,period.

sorry for the handball girls but makes no sense to go to tokyo and world championship....you are playing for ihf lol.
win this world championship and play in the european in next years.

Russia will boycott tokyo for sure.


From yours reaction ,should I understand you are "coming"from political zone ? :-k

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:38 pm
by Wbk
Finalised daily update (10 Dec 2019):

With Russia in semifinals, Romania is qualified for OQT thanks to (for now) their 4th place at the EURO 2018. They can still be qualified there via the WCh final placement as well, which takes priority in that case.

Spain sure for Top6 and that means they are sure for OQT at least. They still have a chance to qualify directly for the Olympics via winning the WCh.

Japan will not make Top8. Thus, it is sure that the 9th place won't give the last & very favourable WCh-earned OQT spot. It will belong to 7th or 8th place; the most probable outcome atm. is the 7th place (depends on KOR final placement).



List of all teams already qualified for the 2020 Olympics (5 out of 12):
    Image JAPAN (qualified as: organiser)
    Image FRANCE (winner of the 2018 European Championship)
    Image BRAZIL (winner of the 2019 Panamerican Games)
    Image SOUTH KOREA (winner of the 2019 Asian Olympic qualification)
    Image ANGOLA (winner of the 2019 African Olympic qualification)

List of all teams currently qualified for the 2020 Olympic Qualification Tournaments:Current OQTs' composition (definitive spots only):
    OQT#1: ___, ___, SEN, ARG
    OQT#2: ___, ___, CHN, ___
    OQT#3: ___, ___, ___, PRK

    ESP, NED, NOR & RUS/IOA: all sure for OQT, but it's not sure yet which OQT they're part of <=> they still have a chance to qualify directly for the Olympics via winning the WCh.

    ROU: sure for OQT w/o a chance to make it to the Olympics directly, but it's not sure yet which OQT they're part of.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:20 pm
by HB9
Wbk wrote:Current OQTs' composition (definitive spots only):
    OQT#1: ___, ___, SEN, ARG
    OQT#2: ___, ___, CHN, ___
    OQT#3: ___, ___, ___, PRK

    ESP, NED, NOR & RUS/IOA: all sure for OQT, but not yet sure which OQT group they will be part of as they still have a chance to qualify directly for the Olympics via winning the WCh.

    ROU: sure for OQT w/o a chance to make it to the Olympics directly, but it is not yet sure which OQT group they will be part of.

Ok, we established that finishing 7th and ending up in OQT1 is really great. But what about the second avaliable place in OQT1? There doesn't seem to be any mention of a rule where this place will go to. Could the IHF just say: "hmmm...country X qualified for a tournament, we like them, and we will just put them in OQT1 as well" ?

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:05 pm
by Wbk
HB9 wrote:
Wbk wrote:Current OQTs' composition (definitive spots only):
    OQT#1: ___, ___, SEN, ARG
    OQT#2: ___, ___, CHN, ___
    OQT#3: ___, ___, ___, PRK

    ESP, NED, NOR & RUS/IOA: all sure for OQT, but not yet sure which OQT group they will be part of as they still have a chance to qualify directly for the Olympics via winning the WCh.

    ROU: sure for OQT w/o a chance to make it to the Olympics directly, but it is not yet sure which OQT group they will be part of.

Ok, we established that finishing 7th and ending up in OQT1 is really great. But what about the second avaliable place in OQT1? There doesn't seem to be any mention of a rule where this place will go to. Could the IHF just say: "hmmm...country X qualified for a tournament, we like them, and we will just put them in OQT1 as well" ?

Silver medalist.

Scroll up few posts.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:14 pm
by kleber
Pathetic words by martin......

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:01 am
by Wbk
Running daily update (11 Dec 2019):

NED-KOR 40-33, RUS-ESP 36-26 consequences ▼

KOR will not make Top8 => now clear that it's the 7th place which gives the last & very favourable WCh-earned OQT spot.

With NED in Top6, Sweden qualified for OQT thanks to, for now, their 6th place at the EURO 2018. They can still be qualified for OQT via the WCh final placement as well, which takes priority in that case and gives HUN (EURO 2018 7th) the OQT spot. SWE also still have a chance to qualify directly for the Olympics via winning the WCh

With NED in Top6, Romania goes to OQT#3.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:41 pm
by Wbk
Running daily update (11 Dec 2019) #2:

NED-KOR 40-33, RUS-ESP 36-26 consequences ▼

KOR will not make Top8 => now clear that it's the 7th place which gives the last & very favourable WCh-earned OQT spot.

With NED in Top6, Sweden qualified for OQT thanks to, for now, their 6th place at the EURO 2018. They can still be qualified for OQT via the WCh final placement as well, which takes priority in that case and gives HUN (EURO 2018 7th) the OQT spot. SWE also still have a chance to qualify directly for the Olympics via winning the WCh.

With NED in Top6, Romania goes to OQT#3.


DEN-SRB consequences ▼

DEN misses the 2020 Olympics.


Up next: NOR-GER, SWE-MNE

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:56 pm
by Wbk
Finalised daily update (11 Dec 2019):

NED-KOR 40-33, RUS-ESP 36-26 consequences ▼

KOR will not make Top8 => now clear that it's the 7th place which gives the last & very favourable WCh-earned OQT spot.

With NED in Top6, Sweden qualified for OQT thanks to, for now, their 6th place at the EURO 2018. They can still be qualified for OQT via the WCh final placement as well, which takes priority in that case and gives HUN (EURO 2018 7th) the OQT spot.

With NED in Top6, Romania goes to OQT#3.


DEN-SRB 26-26 consequences ▼

DEN misses the 2020 Olympics.


NOR-GER 32-29, SWE-MNE 23-26 consequences ▼

Serbia, Montenegro qualified for OQT.

SWE also still have a chance to qualify directly for the Olympics via winning the WCh.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:50 pm
by HB9
Can these tournaments take place anywhere in the world? I noticed the last few only took place in Europe.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:30 am
by Wbk
HB9 wrote:Can these tournaments take place anywhere in the world? I noticed the last few only took place in Europe.

IHF will decide on OQT hosts (there is no strict rule about hosting rights), based on marketing issues for sure.

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:41 pm
by Hajas
Wbk wrote:
HB9 wrote:Can these tournaments take place anywhere in the world? I noticed the last few only took place in Europe.

IHF will decide on OQT hosts (there is no strict rule about hosting rights), based on marketing issues for sure.


It has been decided that NOR will not be host in OQT since the NOR men team will be host in their OQT. It certainly looks like ESP will be one of the hosts OQT for females. According to Marca.com

https://www.marca.com/balonmano/balonma ... b45ea.html

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:04 am
by Wbk
Running daily update (13 Dec 2019) #1:

MNE-SRB 28-26 consequences ▼

Montenegro placed in the OQT#3, Serbia placed in the OQT #2.


Up next: GER-SWE

Later this day: NED-RUS, NOR-ESP

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:42 am
by Wbk
Running daily update (13 Dec 2019) #2:

MNE-SRB 28-26 consequences ▼

Montenegro placed in the OQT#3, Serbia placed in the OQT #2.


GER-SWE 24-35 consequences ▼

SWE placed in the (seemingly very favourable) OQT #1.

Hungary qualified for the OQT#2 thanks to the 7th place at the EURO 2018.

GER misses the 2020 Olympics.


NED-RUS 33-32


Up next: NOR-ESP

Re: Road to Tokyo 2020 Olympics

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:56 pm
by Wbk
Finalised daily update (13 Dec 2019):

MNE-SRB 28-26 consequences ▼

Montenegro placed in the OQT#3, Serbia placed in the OQT #2.


GER-SWE 24-35 consequences ▼

SWE placed in the (seemingly very favourable) OQT #1.

Hungary qualified for the OQT#2 thanks to the 7th place at the EURO 2018.

GER misses the 2020 Olympics.


NED-RUS 33-32, NOR-ESP 22-28



List of all teams already qualified for the 2020 Olympics (5 out of 12):
    Image JAPAN (qualified as: organiser)
    Image FRANCE (winner of the 2018 European Championship)
    Image BRAZIL (winner of the 2019 Panamerican Games)
    Image SOUTH KOREA (winner of the 2019 Asian Olympic qualification)
    Image ANGOLA (winner of the 2019 African Olympic qualification)

List of all teams currently qualified for the 2020 Olympic Qualification Tournaments:OQTs' composition:
    OQT#1: *WCh 2nd (loser NED-ESP)*, SWE, SEN, ARG
    OQT#2: *WCh 3rd (winner RUS-NOR)*, SRB, CHN, HUN
    OQT#3: *WCh 4th (loser RUS-NOR)*, MNE, ROU, PRK

ESP, NED: both sure for the OQT, but it's not yet sure which OQT they're part of <=> they still have a chance to qualify directly for the Olympics via winning the WCh.

NOR, RUS/IOA: both sure for the OQT, but it's not yet sure which OQT they're part of.