Asian Championships

[John Ryan]

http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?i ... idart=1598

The draw for this tournament is somewhat bizarre. My understanding is that 4 Asian teams will qualify for the 2009 WC in China.

One bracket has 3 of the best 4 teams: S Korea, Japan, and Kazakhstan. The other bracket has China, but since they are hosting the World Championship they've already qualified.

I'm guessing the format is such that the top 2 teams will qualify for the semifinals. This means that a pretty weak team from China's group (Thailand, India, Qatar, or Vietnam) will head to the World Championship.

Does anybody know why the draw was set up this way?

[doomark]

http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcat=57&idart=1598

The draw for this tournament is somewhat bizarre. My understanding is that 4 Asian teams will qualify for the 2009 WC in China.

One bracket has 3 of the best 4 teams: S Korea, Japan, and Kazakhstan. The other bracket has China, but since they are hosting the World Championship they've already qualified.

I'm guessing the format is such that the top 2 teams will qualify for the semifinals. This means that a pretty weak team from China's group (Thailand, India, Qatar, or Vietnam) will head to the World Championship.

Does anybody know why the draw was set up this way?

to help small countries developing?!?

[haandboldspiller]

It's probably Qatar, who wants to get a chance of qualifying

[itwas82]

Nobody knows...

[itwas82]

Results of Group Matches

[Group A]
1. Korea 4-0
2. Japan 3-1
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3. Kazakhstan 2-2
4. Iran 1-3
5. Uzbekistan 0-4

[Group B]
1. China 4-0
2. Thailand 3-1
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3-5. Vietam, India, Qatar (not confirmed yet)

=> Semi-finals will be Korea-Thailand and China-Japan on Friday.

P.S. In case you are interested in the scores, you can check it here (even though it is so much delayed...)
http://www.asianhandball.com/menu/Chapmionships/drawwomenthai.htm

[doomark]

Results of Group Matches

[Group A]
1. Korea 4-0
2. Japan 3-1
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3. Kazakhstan 2-2
4. Iran 1-3
5. Uzbekistan 0-4

[Group B]
1. China 4-0
2. Thailand 3-1
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3-5. Vietam, India, Qatar (not confirmed yet)

=> Semi-finals will be Korea-Thailand and China-Japan on Friday.

P.S. In case you are interested in the scores, you can check it here (even though it is so much delayed...)
http://www.asianhandball.com/menu/Chapmionships/drawwomenthai.htm

So, it means Thailand at WCh?!? Besides China (organizer) three nations at WCh, right? Correct me, if I´m wrong.

[Joppe]

There will be 5. teams from Asia. China as organizer, South Korea by former histroical results, Thailand and Japan as semifinalists, and the last spot is between Kazakhstan and Vietnam (should by easy win for the "Borat" girls )

[meteo]

South Korea even got his spot in this tournament. Because of the historical result of Korea at Wch 2007 one more spot goes to the asian federation. But in the end it doesn't really matter. No one is able to compete with korea in a serious way in asia.

[John Ryan]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html

Are there any news reports about the impact of unrest in Thailand and it's impact to the tournament? I guess it's a good thing they don't have to fly out for few days yet.

Also, I saw this news item on the Iranian women's team. http://www.payvand.com/news/08/nov/1263.html
I assume they are playing fully covered at the tournament. Certainly a handicap, but at least they are being allowed to play. Does the Qatar team wear similar uniforms?

[itwas82]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/27/thailand.protests.airport.ap/index.html

Are there any news reports about the impact of unrest in Thailand and it's impact to the tournament? I guess it's a good thing they don't have to fly out for few days yet.

Also, I saw this news item on the Iranian women's team. http://www.payvand.com/news/08/nov/1263.html
I assume they are playing fully covered at the tournament. Certainly a handicap, but at least they are being allowed to play. Does the Qatar team wear similar uniforms?

Maybe the participants will have to use other airports, but no reported impact to the tournament itself.

P.S. Qatar also wears similar uniforms.
(Some photos from the last youth championship in Slovakia)
http://www.world2008.sk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=1

[itwas82]

Final standings of the tournament.

1. Korea
2. China
3. Japan
4. Thailand
5. Kazakhstan
6. Vietnam
7. Iran
8. India
9. Ukbetistan
10 Qatar

For Korea, it was a positive sign for future days as core player from Beijing like Oh Seong-ok, Oh Young-ran (retired from the national team), Huh Soon-young, Choi Im-jeong (didn't participate), and Park Chung-hee (not selected from the new coach) were absent.

However, there were still the 'chronic' problems of Asian handball. According to the correspondent to Thailand, there were still controversial calls from middle-east referees and those were the reasons why we struggled against Kazakhstan and the first half against China. (In this tournament, there were no neutral referees from IHF and there were no broadcast either.)

It seems Asian handball is still shrouded by fog...

[doomark]

Thanks for the infor! Who is your new coach, what do we need to know about him and how did the Hypo girls perform? Has Bok-hee Myoung been called to participate? How did Kim play?

Thanks for the answers!

[itwas82]

Thanks for the infor! Who is your new coach, what do we need to know about him and how did the Hypo girls perform? Has Bok-hee Myoung been called to participate? How did Kim play?

Thanks for the answers!

1. New coach : Lee Jae-young (I guess he is not known so much in international level)

As a club coach, he is the winningest coach in domestic tournaments. As national team coach, he had some success in Asian level once in the late 90s and once more in the early 2000s. However, he hasn't have much success in world level. This will be his third try and hopefully will be a charm.

(Actually, he hasn't have much chance in world level. Only one Wch and zero Olympics. Some say it's because he is sort of a'maverick' - it doesn't mean he is eccentric or what, but he just doesn't belong to any 'faction' in Korean handball politics...)

2. Hypo girls

I couldn't watch their play as there was no broadcast. I couldn't even check their stats as Korean newspapers don't carry the handball stats. Here are just some comments from the articles.

1) Myoung : She was the oldest on the team(29 years old). She scored 8 goals against Japan and 6 goals against Thailand.
2) Kim : Coach said Kim played the core role in defense. But because of this, it seems that she was the 'target' of the referees. She got a direct red card against Kazakhstan and also a questionable 2 minute during China's rally in the final.

[meteo]

anything mentioned that Prokop stopped paying salaries to the players while they are at a national team?

[doomark]

2. Hypo girls

I couldn't watch their play as there was no broadcast. I couldn't even check their stats as Korean newspapers don't carry the handball stats. Here are just some comments from the articles.

1) Myoung : She was the oldest on the team(29 years old). She scored 8 goals against Japan and 6 goals against Thailand.
2) Kim : Coach said Kim played the core role in defense. But because of this, it seems that she was the 'target' of the referees. She got a direct red card against Kazakhstan and also a questionable 2 minute during China's rally in the final.

Many thanks for all those answers!

[haandballstroll]

And how was An and Rim playing? I guess now they overtake Oh's role.

[itwas82]

And how was An and Rim playing? I guess now they overtake Oh's role.

Yup. According to the articles, Song Hai-rim and Kim On-a shared the playmaker role. Our coach was quoted as saying that Song almost regained her shot and he was satisfied with both of them.

[haandballstroll]

And how was An and Rim playing? I guess now they overtake Oh's role.

Yup. According to the articles, Song Hai-rim and Kim On-a shared the playmaker role. Our coach was quoted as saying that Song almost regained her shot and he was satisfied with both of them.

Im sure these 2 girls will play the first fiolin in the team and will make all opponents very disapointed. I would love to see them both playing but guess it is impossible maybe before next year.

[Wbk]

Oceania Women's Championships 2016, Game #1:

Australia def. New Zealand 26-12 (14:5)

Rematch planned for tomorrow. Winner, and that's new, is not directly qualified for the WCh (Germany, December 2017), but advances to Asian Women's Championships (South Korea, March 2017) first.

[Germanicus]

Winner, and that's new, is not directly qualified for the WCh

No, actually it is not new, in 2015, too, was it so.

[doomark]

Winner, and that's new, is not directly qualified for the WCh

No, actually it is not new, in 2015, too, was it so.

Yeah, but this is the first time as far as I know that Australia has to go through qualification in Asia.

[Wbk]

Oceania Women's Championships 2016, Game #1:

Australia def. New Zealand 26-12 (14:5)

Rematch planned for tomorrow. Winner, and that's new, is not directly qualified for the WCh (Germany, December 2017), but advances to Asian Women's Championships (South Korea, March 2017) first.

Australia def. New Zealand 31-11 in the rematch => Australia qualified for the 2017 Asian Women's Championships.

No, actually it is not new, in 2015, too, was it so.

The champion of Oceania will play at Asian Champs first time in history in women's category (this system was already used for men for France 2017).
In the qualification cycle for the 2015 WCh in Denmark, Oceanian Women's Championships did not take place, because Australia was the only team registered for the competition. They, as the Oceanian representative, earned a spot at the newly formed additional intercontinental WCh qualification (played in Kazakhstan in June 2015).

[Germanicus]

Winner, and that's new, is not directly qualified for the WCh

No, actually it is not new, in 2015, too, was it so.

Yeah, but this is the first time as far as I know that Australia has to go through qualification in Asia.

Actually the intercontinental qualification of 2015 was held in Asia as well

[Germanicus]

The champion of Oceania will play at Asian Champs first time in history in women's category (this system was already used for men for France 2017).
In the qualification cycle for the 2015 WCh in Denmark, Oceanian Women's Championships did not take place, because Australia was the only team registered for the competition. They, as the Oceanian representative, earned a spot at the newly formed additional intercontinental WCh qualification (played in Kazakhstan in June 2015).

Thanks for correcting me. I only remembered that they had to play qualification in Asia, but you're right, it was not Asian Championship/Qualification but intercontinental.

[williamn123]

Does anyone know what is up with Kazakhstan handball? What kind of team will they send to the Asian handball championship march 2017? Only Kazakh players or also naturalised Russian players?