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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby jensm » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:40 pm

Gojira wrote:
vlad_impaler wrote:
Gojira wrote:Astrakhanochka definitely will not win it. They a very good squad, but they are without a coach. Kuban' have better chances than Lada IMHO. But we are still very far from the end, lot of things can happen.


Ehehehe, Astrakhan are already out, no? Kicked by Kuban. LADA? Lada are indeed one of the top favourites, they have the best squad in Russia and EHF pedigree. 8:) If you are Russian wannabe, Goji, please inform yourself better! Lada is 10-0-0 in Russia, Kuban 6-0-3, lost by 13 at Rostov and by 5 on home field against Lada.

Strangely they previously lost in the Russian Superleague as host against Astrakhan, but being solid on home field put them in this position in EHF Cup. After managed not to lose by big margin on the road, they beat Astrakhan by 4 in Krasnodar.

Honestly it will be hard for Kuban to play a final in Europe.

I know it probably better than you, since I saw most of those games. And I'm not a wannabe of anything.



I would say Astrakhanockha have the best squad after Rostov; Postnova, Sabirova, Chigirnova, Ikhneva, Kochetova, Malashenko, Levsha, Samokhina, Kozhokar, Petrova. And they also som against Rostov 26-24 at home if im wrong. But, yes Lada is one of the favs now. Along with Vipers/Brest I guess.



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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby vlad_impaler » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:04 pm

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Lucy wrote:Who do you think going to win EHF-cup this year?


Well, if all the Hungarian teams get kicked and plus with none of Germany, there should be a business between Lada, Craiova and Copenhagen, and maybe even Viborg and Astrakhan. Zalău could also stand chances, due to home public and hard defence of Tadici but they will depend a lot on Constantinescu. Whilst Issy Paris has a very short squad. If nothing will change in the winter, I doubt they are favourites to fight for the final.

Surely Zvezda, Randers, Byasen, Hoor and possibly Kastamonu have the lowest chances.


Most kicked Zvezda.

So Lada, Craiova, Copenhagen, Viborg, plus Brest, Vipers and Larvik. I forgot about them! :shock: It will be tough in the QFs, not just SFs!

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby vlad_impaler » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:11 pm

jensm wrote:


I would say Astrakhanockha have the best squad after Rostov; Postnova, Sabirova, Chigirnova, Ikhneva, Kochetova, Malashenko, Levsha, Samokhina, Kozhokar, Petrova. And they also som against Rostov 26-24 at home if im wrong. But, yes Lada is one of the favs now. Along with Vipers/Brest I guess.


After Rostov, yeah, I added that. Well, it's questionable. I also thought Astrakhan could be better as squad at first sight, but let's face it: Lada are 10-0-0! Dmitrieva is more mature than Sabirova who looks a bit lost in space this season. About Kozhokar, it's not like she was such a fantastic wing for Russian NT level (past level). Regarding Postnova and Kochetova, the first got older and Kochetova is full of injuries and overweight (poor girl, she is awesome talent).

Dmitrieva, Vedekhina, Snopova, Novoselova, Nosikova, Mikhaylichenko, Tarasova etc is the fresh blood. And UTKINA is a real goalie.

One thing is visible though, Astrakhan's bench is better if no injuries. I guess the bench of Lada is young. But experience isn't winning everytime.

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby eduardsson » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:50 pm

Debrecen - Craiova


''Civilized'' Hungarian hooligans screamed ''Gypsy'' and showed _I_ to the Craiova players and fans during most of the match. The most disgusting suporters ever. As you can see these uneducated hoes ALWAYS start off the insults and fights, as one week ago, during the 1st match no incident whatsoever has been reported.

I hope EHF will do more than sanctioning them with 3.000 Euro, the way the pathetic and disgusting FTC episode has been handled.
I hope Lecusanu's appointment in EHF will do more for eradicating or punishing these primitive behaviours.

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby vlad_impaler » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:06 pm

This is true, Edu, but this all happens because of the politicians of Hungary. The level of extremism is tolerated by the Hungarians, it's not normal.

In Romania you don't really see "gypsies/mongols" chants. This is embarrassing, it happened on football and now twice on handball with FTC/Debrecen (DVSC).

EHF should take measures! Hardly something will change but maybe the organisers will do more. Some limited people in Hungary are brainwashed by political propaganda. :oops: We are in 2017 people and should live friendly together. England also had hooligans and got civilised. Of course, there the circumstances were different but still hooligans.

At 40th minute, they started, just after the beer got its effect.

Now I hope I don't offend anyone.
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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby Gojira » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:26 pm

vlad_impaler wrote:
jensm wrote:


I would say Astrakhanockha have the best squad after Rostov; Postnova, Sabirova, Chigirnova, Ikhneva, Kochetova, Malashenko, Levsha, Samokhina, Kozhokar, Petrova. And they also som against Rostov 26-24 at home if im wrong. But, yes Lada is one of the favs now. Along with Vipers/Brest I guess.


After Rostov, yeah, I added that. Well, it's questionable. I also thought Astrakhan could be better as squad at first sight, but let's face it: Lada are 10-0-0! Dmitrieva is more mature than Sabirova who looks a bit lost in space this season. About Kozhokar, it's not like she was such a fantastic wing for Russian NT level (past level). Regarding Postnova and Kochetova, the first got older and Kochetova is full of injuries and overweight (poor girl, she is awesome talent).

Dmitrieva, Vedekhina, Snopova, Novoselova, Nosikova, Mikhaylichenko, Tarasova etc is the fresh blood. And UTKINA is a real goalie.

One thing is visible though, Astrakhan's bench is better if no injuries. I guess the bench of Lada is young. But experience isn't winning everytime.


I told you before and will repeat it now: Astrakhanochka have a crap coach. That's why they are underperforming. It's not enough to be the husband of Postnova to be a proper coach for a top team.

On the other hand Kuban' are developing well. Tref got Tarasikov as an assistant coach, so his hysterics are less in number. And consequently the team play better. Also there are fewer players there, so possibly less tension. I wouldn't be surprised to find them in the final.

Lada have an excellent starting line up, but their bench is short. Of course, Dmitrieva is one of the best of the world. But they don't have a proper pivot, and Utkina is far from either Sedoykina or Kalinina. Btw from your list only Mikhaylichenko is fresh, the others have been in the Superliga for years.

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby swarthofole » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:38 pm

Gojira wrote:I told you before and will repeat it now: Astrakhanochka have a crap coach. That's why they are underperforming. It's not enough to be the husband of Postnova to be a proper coach for a top team.


If the wife of Dibirov can, why Postnova's husband would not? 8:)
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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby vlad_impaler » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:13 am

Gojira wrote:Utkina is far from either Sedoykina or Kalinina.


Mm, Kalinina is the best Russian GK. But I like Utkina, she can prove herself. She isnt' old at all. I used to like Sedoykhina too, but that was in the past. For world class you need more. Kalinina has it, all the qualities, let's see.

I wonder how are the pots looking now.

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby swarthofole » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:26 pm

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby vlad_impaler » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:51 pm

Crazy pots

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby jensm » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:30 pm

Last year EHF Group phase:

4 German teams
3 Russian
2 Hungarian
2 Norwegian
2 Danish
2 French
1 Swedish

This year EHF Group Phase:

3 Danish
3 Norwegian
2 French
2 Russian
2 Romanian
1 Turkish
1 Swedish
1 Polish
1 Czech

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby Lucy » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:00 pm

Dont understand why Byåsen is in pot3 and København is in pot 4

Byåsen get a wildcard because another nation didnt compete

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby HB9 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:18 pm

Lucy wrote:Dont understand why Byåsen is in pot3 and København is in pot 4

Byåsen get a wildcard because another nation didnt compete

It makes no sense. KBH was seeded well above Byasen at the start of the competition :-k : http://cms.eurohandball.com/ResourceIma ... raid=67838
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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby HB9 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:19 pm

Hm, maybe they got 'upgraded' after beating a team taking part in the CL-qualifiers.
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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby Doru Delavale » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:24 pm

Une affaire Scandinave ! Half of the teams are balto - scandinavian countries (3 Norway, 3 Danemark, 1 Sweden, 1 Poland ) and the rest .... Happy will be the french teams if they will be blessed to go to Russia ....on the other hand all 3 danish teams surely will not go to Russia at any case.....

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby Lucy » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:34 pm

HB9 wrote:Hm, maybe they got 'upgraded' after beating a team taking part in the CL-qualifiers.


Yes, that must be the explaination.
Since Viborg first seedet as nr 19 and Byåsen as nr 32
And København at nr 12

And since they beat CL-participant they climbed higher
But still ](*,)

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby vlad_impaler » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:27 pm

No conspiracy Doru, please [-X Rules are rules, but in the future I hope they don't change.

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby will4104 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:48 am

vlad_impaler wrote:Crazy pots


They should have renamed Pot1 to "The Pot of Utter Failures" :-"

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby HB9 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:02 am

will4104 wrote:They should have renamed Pot1 to "The Pot of Utter Failures" :-"

I rather think that's (immaginery) pot 5 - all the hungarian and german teams. :-"

Anyhow, this will be the shortest draw ever. All the CL teams will already be in all the 4 pots, the 3 Danish teams will have to be 'manually' sorted out so they don't meet - same procedure with the two Romanians, Russians and Byasen/Issy. So there will actually be very little of an actual draw.
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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby swarthofole » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:02 am

Let's call it "placing", HB9... :lol:
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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby Gojira » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:42 pm

swarthofole wrote:Let's call it "placing", HB9... :lol:

You are too kind :D It's actually cheating.

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby swarthofole » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:12 pm

HB9 wrote:...the 3 Danish teams will have to be 'manually' sorted out so they don't meet - same procedure with the two Romanians, Russians and Byasen/Issy...


Correction: the teams placed in the same pot can not be part of the same group. so problem solved for the Romanian teams.

Gojira wrote:You are too kind :D It's actually cheating.

What if the 3rd pot would have been filled only with Danish teams? I guess EHF would have fixed the seeds. :lol: (which is quite regular for them)
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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby will4104 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:20 pm

HB9 wrote:I rather think that's (immaginery) pot 5 - all the hungarian and german teams. :-"


I agree, that we have a special place in The Disappointments of 2017-18 and we should get a prize for it at the end of the season, but I think we are more than a bee's dick apart from the failure that Pot1 is.

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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby swarthofole » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:17 pm

Sorry for my dumb question, but are there some rankings of the teams which are available to the public? I mean some rankings which take into consideration the past results of the teams for at least 2 or 3 years before...Is that a clear/ fair question?
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Re: EHF-Cup 2017/2018

Postby Doru Delavale » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:46 pm

vlad_impaler wrote:No conspiracy Doru, please [-X Rules are rules, but in the future I hope they don't change.


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